In this episode, Deng Ming-Dao, esteemed author of the Wandering Taoist and several other Daoist-based books—(including our favs Spiritual Warrior and 365 Tao), joins Leta and Jaye as they have an inspiring conversation together. This episode explores the concept of how art isn’t separate from self-cultivation—it is self-cultivation. Ming-Dao dives into what it means to self-cultivate and how creating art, practicing Tai Chi, or even making mistakes can be the fire that transforms us.

From poetry to Tai Chi to painting—everything becomes part of the Alchemical process of becoming our authentic selves. If you’ve ever wondered whether your creative life is as important as a spiritual practice—this podcast is for you.